At the end of 1989, early 1990, Lore
oz
petra, do you have the 1989 january 1, watchtower single issue and the bound volume issue?
reply: please hold a sec.... yes, he has both issues put together in a pdf you can download.
when you get to the download page there will be a link in a box with an arrow pointing down.
At the end of 1989, early 1990, Lore
oz
we'll see how long this lasts.... i'll write a chapter each day.
every day.. when there is nothing left to say.....it is over.. it could end up being a book nobody will every read.
or, it might be read by a few and it might mean something to somebody.
and through it all, Nathan H Knorr ate and slept like a king
oz
the plan: the wt corp turns 200 billion dollar $ assets, property, stock, investment, into cash, then sends a check to every member, men women and baptized children.
these people are 7 million in number and now each get a check for $30,000 x 7 million = $200 billion.
the governing body quietly leaves town.
and then you awoke from the dream...
Oz
it looks like you are in the first stages of waking up.. you have been shocked to the core by getting disfellowshipped, what for does not really matter here.
you came to voice your feelings then die, you have voiced the feelings and then hung in there.
i am sure many are very proud of you for that, i am.. now, your thoughts of survival are turned towards your loved one, will it work?, ''i'm a jw and he is not''.... fisrt up, you are now, not a jehovah's witness.
It looks like you are in the first stages of waking up.
You have been shocked to the core by getting disfellowshipped, what for does not really matter here. You came to voice your feelings then die, you have voiced the feelings and then hung in there. I am sure many are very proud of you for that, i am.
Now, your thoughts of survival are turned towards your loved one, will it work?, ''I'm a JW and he is not''...
Fisrt up, you are now, NOT a jehovah's Witness. They removed you. While you were a JW this site and the inforation is holds were forbidden, now they are not. Think about that.
The things you need to concern yourself with now that you are not a JW, (and even if you want to go right back 'IN". you are not able to. You have to prove to men that you are sorry for being normal). NOW is the time, before you go too deep with your man, to work out if you are going to become a JW again or not. Do not do that to him AFTER getting married.
You would be wise to start a systematic investigation of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society and the people called jehovahs witnesses. Do your homework. What do you know about 1919? Why does the WT have so many 'suggested' dates for Armageddon in its past? Where did CT RUssell get his ideas from? Who was William Miller? what is the 607 bce debate about? Why are the Muslims and the Jehovahs Witnesses co-hosting talks at the OSCE? How many times has the teaching on sodom and gormorah chaged? What is a flip flop? Can a murderer stay in good standing? what is the two witness rule? How can closing bethel homes be evidence of gods blessing? Explain the newest generation teaching, why is 'new light' not from the bible?
It is NOT enough to get all excited about being out and still hold onto the notion that 'they have the truth'. The problem with that is although you might spend 20 years out of the religion, while you still hold the notion of them being right, you are at risk of going back in at the first crises life throws at you. If you choose to stay OUT of the religion, you must learn whether they have the real truth or not. if they do, go back, if they don't, stay out.
My children are safe for now, I have rescued them from the claws of the Watchtower. I say for now, because the next part of their education (16 and 19) needs to be understanding the real truth about the 'truth' so they will never get the notion to look for answers to any future crisis in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
For the sake of your man and yourself, do your homework BEFORE you marry him.
All the best on what may be the most epic journey of your life. (not being married, but waking up)
Oz
watchtower cult shuts down websites to coverup pedophilia letters.. http://www.cyberwarzone.com/watchtower-cult-shuts-down-websites-coverup-pedophilia-letters.
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bangalore.
Or just last year behind bethel headquarters the brothers were made to tear the red covers off the live forever in paradise book and the paper was going to a recycle manufacturer
LOL! gives real meaning to the term we use form time to time here: LITRATRASH
Oz
i recently read an interesting thread (is there a 'third' way to leave?
) that talked about fading instead of being df'd or da'd.
i myself had planned to fade, but was df'd instead.
I think it would be interesting for you to find out, but it wont change anything.
You could have been accused of apostasy or adultery by the husband and father, you were not on hand to make a defence, held as guilty in absence, guilt by not turning up... they do this because they are a kangaroo court, a law unto themselves.
Oz
yes, i said "still"..
No, I function just fine. never been more functional as a human being than now.
Oz
it may seem that some popular conspiracy theories have nothing to do with ending watchtower oppressions.
the matter is otherwise.. i would judge that most experienced posters here grow tired ( been there, done that) waiting for the watchtower to implode.
it seems as if, despite evidence of its decline, it manages to endure, however pathetically and will continue to do so, somehow.. maybe not.. besides certain legal issues (that could push it over a financial cliff), there are other matters, not in mainstream belief, that could quickly end it.
The WT would be able to spin any and all of them.
And there would still be enough people to agree
Oz
watchtower cult shuts down websites to coverup pedophilia letters.. http://www.cyberwarzone.com/watchtower-cult-shuts-down-websites-coverup-pedophilia-letters.
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bangalore.
ok phizzy, now you know you will be asked for that in writing don't you?...
Oz
long time lurker, first time poster.
i'm really glad i can join your community because i've been in the wts for the last 14 years and now i'm on my way out and it's great to meet like-minded people!.
about me: i started learning jw ways when i was in my teens.
welcome 'Julia from australia' (haha, you will be forever labelled thus)
Lots of great advice on what to do right and wrong in waking up your husband, reach out for it.
Oz from australia as well